Facing Calebs Warriors of Chaos (or maybe his Lizards) on Thursday and taking the new High Elves for the first time. I've written a score or more lists since getting my new army book but have finely settled on one to take at the club this week, will require some proxying but... so here it is. Battle Report up on Friday.
Archmage - 285pts
w. Level 4, High Magic, Book of Hoeth, Golden Crown
Re-roll one dice each time I cast or dispel and getting +5 to cast (+4 for L4 and +1 for being a High Elf) add this to the Book of Hoeth and I can one dice some spells. Oh and 2+WS vs. first wound
Mage - 185pts
w. Level 2, High Magic, Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury, Barded Steed
Power Level 3 bound spell casting 2D6 S4 and 5+AS from the horse. Going with DP Bus
Noble - 155pts
w. Battle Standard, Dragon Armour, Shield of Merwyn, Sword of Might, Luck Stone, Barded Steed
Slightly different combo. Has 2+ AS with one re-roll, 2+ WS vs. Flaming, 4+ Parry Save & 3 attacks @ S5
15 x Archers - 160pts
w. Musician
15 x Archers - 160pts
w. Musician
15 x Archers - 160pts
w. Musician
5 x Reavers - 105pts
w. Musician, Bows & Spears
5 x Reavers - 105pts
w. Musician, Bows & Spears
10 x Dragon Princes - 400pts
w. Full command, Banner of World Dragon, Star Lance on Champion
With the Mage and BSB there will be 12 models in this unit, unless I run the L2 around by himself. Thinking of ranking them up 4 wide with the Mage in the 2nd rank. This will protect him from combat while still allowing every DP to attack
30 x White Lions - 435pts
w. Full command, Standard of Discipline
Big target without the uber Dragon banner but still a big FOff block and with the Archmage in there you can give them a WS from the High Magic lore attribute.
15 x Sisters of Avelorn - 245pts
w. Champion, Reaver Bow
OK don't have the models but I am going to get them. 14 S4 magical flaming attacks that are AP vs. the forces of Darkness armies and 3 x S5 magical from the Champion. No musician though so vulnerable if they run. Also considered a unit of 10 Shadow Warriors but at similar points these girls are just that much better.
TOTAL 2,395
So no Griffon, Loremaster or Flamespyre at least not yet and for me the big change is no Spears it was hard but I just couldn't include them but I'm going to have to work out some kind of cheese theme list so I can field them somehow (I have 80-100 of the models so don't feel like wasting them).
May 21, 2013
High Elves podcast & more Horus Heresy novels
I've never paid that much attention to WHFB podcasts although I have listened to the odd episode from various sources e.g. Podhammer, Helenhammer. This one though is well worth a listen for High Elf players (if you can tolerate listening to a bunch of drunken Australians) and it gave me a lot of ideas for list building - too many unfortunately as I have now had to change the list I was going to use this Thursday
Link to the podcast
Couple of new arrivals in the mail box this morning as well from the Black Library (courtesy of some incredibly slow delivery times by Mightyape.co.nz - whom I won't be using again).
Been looking forward to reading these for sometime now so very happy to get them (finally). The cover art on Betrayer is just amazing...I mean check this out Ultramarines getting slaughtered just brilliant
Looking forward even more though to getting my Flamespyre Phoenix in the mail sometime in the next couple of days - despite searching various sources I've had to order it from GW as a cheaper alternative couldn't be found.
Looking forward even more though to getting my Flamespyre Phoenix in the mail sometime in the next couple of days - despite searching various sources I've had to order it from GW as a cheaper alternative couldn't be found.
May 19, 2013
High Elf Magic combos
One of the things I'm struggling with in terms of the new book is how to make best use of the Loremaster & the other magic options. When I heard the LM was a L2 mage my assumption was that he would be a Hero choice, not realistic I know but there you go. As a Lord his base cost is 230pts which makes him an expensive L2 despite his access to all 8 Signature Spells, it also makes my usual practice of leading a High Elf army with a L4 Archmage a questionable proposition. Then there's the need for a Dispel Scroll caddy, typically a L2, and of course my desire to take a Dragon Mage for the hell of it. So what to do - assuming all lists are aimed at 2400pts?
The 'Keep it the same but add the new bits' list
Archmage - 285pts
w. Level 4, High Magic, Book of Hoeth, Golden Crown
Mage - 170pts
w. Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury
The 'Lets use the guy holding the Octopus' list
Archmage - 285pts
w. Level 4, High Magic, Book of Hoeth, Golden Crown
Loremaster - 305pts
w. Dispel Scroll, Armour of Caledor
The 'Who needs 4 levels list'
Loremaster - 315pts
w. Dispell Scroll, Armour of Caledor, Golden Crown
Mage - 150pts
w. Level 2, High Magic, Ring of Fury, Dragon Bane Gem
The 'Lets max it out list'
The Everqueen - 350pts
w. High Magic, Lore of Life
Archmage - 250pts
w. Level 4, High Magic, Earthing Rod
Mage - 145pts
w. Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury, Lore of Life
After working through lots of lists the L4 Archmage with Book and Crown seems to be the optimum build for getting the most points efficient character, others might disagree. Taking the Loremaster though means having to trade off between:
So maybe you just go Loremaster solo with a Scroll and thats it or the Archmage/Everqueen solo without a scroll caddy - and do you really need a caddy when you have the Banner of the World Dragon?
The 'Keep it the same but add the new bits' list
Archmage - 285pts
w. Level 4, High Magic, Book of Hoeth, Golden Crown
Mage - 170pts
w. Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury
The 'Lets use the guy holding the Octopus' list
Archmage - 285pts
w. Level 4, High Magic, Book of Hoeth, Golden Crown
Loremaster - 305pts
w. Dispel Scroll, Armour of Caledor
The 'Who needs 4 levels list'
Loremaster - 315pts
w. Dispell Scroll, Armour of Caledor, Golden Crown
Mage - 150pts
w. Level 2, High Magic, Ring of Fury, Dragon Bane Gem
The 'Lets max it out list'
The Everqueen - 350pts
w. High Magic, Lore of Life
Archmage - 250pts
w. Level 4, High Magic, Earthing Rod
Mage - 145pts
w. Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury, Lore of Life
After working through lots of lists the L4 Archmage with Book and Crown seems to be the optimum build for getting the most points efficient character, others might disagree. Taking the Loremaster though means having to trade off between:
- Using a Lord choice as your scroll caddy.
- Effectively doubling the amount of points I would normally spend on casters by using him with a L4.
- Losing two magic levels by running the Loremaster solo with 1 or 2 L2's.
- Spending points on casters that could be spent on combat units.
So maybe you just go Loremaster solo with a Scroll and thats it or the Archmage/Everqueen solo without a scroll caddy - and do you really need a caddy when you have the Banner of the World Dragon?
May 16, 2013
More High Elf lists - planning for next WHFB tournie
Another night where rather than get some work done I decide to make another collection of lists from the new High Elf book, which by the way gets better everytime you read it. This time I'm working toward a goal "Horned Gobbo VI" on 22nd/23rd June down in Wellington another of Pete Dunn's 2400pt extravaganzas.
Now the list I end up taking depends on three things:
The everything gets here on time "Everqueen" List
Everqueen - 350pts
w. High Magic, Lore of Life
Level 2 - 170pts
w. Ring of Fury, Dispel Scroll, High Magic
Noble/BSB - 149pts
w. GW, Armor of Caledor
40 x Spears - 400pts
w. Full command, Banner of Eternal Flame
16 x Archers - 170pts
w. Musician
16 x Archers - 170pts
w. Musician
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
27 x White Lions - 431pts
w. Full command, Banner of the World Dragon
10 x Swordmasters - 140pts
w. Musician
Eagle - 50pts
Eagle - 50pts
Flamespyre - 225pts
Total 2,400pts
I had to reduce the size of the White Lions here to fit under the comp. rules 450pt max unit size cap unfortunately. Very core heavy list as you can see and it relies heavily on my ability to deploy effectively, get the White Lions into favourable combats and ensure my magic phase works to my advantage. Everqueen + High magic + Lore of Life give you a lot of awesome buffs e.g. she grants 5+WS to her unit, High Magic buffs that by +1 up to a max of 3+ etc. Not sure about the small unit of Swordmasters but we'll see.
The going with what I have oh thats pretty list
Archmage - 285pts
w. Level 4, High Magic, Book of Hoeth, Golden Crown
Mage - 170pts
w. Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury, Level 2, Beasts
Noble - 270pts
w. Griffon, Swiftsense, Heavy Armour, Enchanted Shield, Reaver Bow, Lion Cloak, Halberd
Noble/BSB - 145pts
w. Barded Steed, Dragon Armour, Sword of Might, Charmed Shield, Ironcurse Icon
35 x Spears - 350pts
w. Full command, Gleaming Pennant
16 x Archers - 170pts
w. Musician
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
28 x White Lions - 404pts
w. Full command, Banner of Eternal Flame
8 x Dragon Princes - 312pts
w. Full command, Banner of the World Dragon
Eagle - 50pts
Eagle - 50pts
TOTAL 2,396pts
No Flamespyre and no Everqueen and I'm going for slightly more mobility here with the Dragon Prince bus, that I'd run 3x3, and the Griffon. Noble on Griffon has a 2+ AS or 0+/1+ vs. shooting and the Reaver bow is a nice little addition. BSB has 2+ AS, 6+ WS (2+ WS vs. flaming) and 2+ vs. first wound. While Dragon Princes are only S3 in turns after they charge the Signature spell from Lore of Beasts should help that. High Magic on the Archmage also gives buffs and helps out units.
In the typical comp. system High Elves can take units of upto 550pts in size vs. the 450pt max set for everyone else to reflect their elite status. This changed as a result of the new book which is fair given that it will take time to figure out what it does. But it does mean that I can't field the block of 50 x Spears that I wanted to.
In terms of the 600pt core requirement for 2400pt lists I am still figuring out a combo that works for me. The one in the 2nd list seems pretty good but still comes in at 705pts or 105 more than necessary. Also considered 3 blocks of Archers @ 170pts & one lot of Reavers which totals 605 but I really like Spears and plan to take them in every army.
In non-gaming news our house is on the market and fingers crossed it sells quickly and we can get into the new house we put an offer on last week... while having more space for the kids is fantastic the new place also has..... a big space for a gaming room and small painting/study room so I can finally (hopefully) get a table permanently set up and start collecting some terrain.
Now the list I end up taking depends on three things:
- Getting the all important spousal approval to attend the event :)
- Getting and painting my Everqueen model in time
- Getting and paiting my Flamespyre Phoenix in time.
The everything gets here on time "Everqueen" List
Everqueen - 350pts
w. High Magic, Lore of Life
Level 2 - 170pts
w. Ring of Fury, Dispel Scroll, High Magic
Noble/BSB - 149pts
w. GW, Armor of Caledor
40 x Spears - 400pts
w. Full command, Banner of Eternal Flame
16 x Archers - 170pts
w. Musician
16 x Archers - 170pts
w. Musician
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
27 x White Lions - 431pts
w. Full command, Banner of the World Dragon
10 x Swordmasters - 140pts
w. Musician
Eagle - 50pts
Eagle - 50pts
Flamespyre - 225pts
Total 2,400pts
I had to reduce the size of the White Lions here to fit under the comp. rules 450pt max unit size cap unfortunately. Very core heavy list as you can see and it relies heavily on my ability to deploy effectively, get the White Lions into favourable combats and ensure my magic phase works to my advantage. Everqueen + High magic + Lore of Life give you a lot of awesome buffs e.g. she grants 5+WS to her unit, High Magic buffs that by +1 up to a max of 3+ etc. Not sure about the small unit of Swordmasters but we'll see.
The going with what I have oh thats pretty list
Archmage - 285pts
w. Level 4, High Magic, Book of Hoeth, Golden Crown
Mage - 170pts
w. Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury, Level 2, Beasts
Noble - 270pts
w. Griffon, Swiftsense, Heavy Armour, Enchanted Shield, Reaver Bow, Lion Cloak, Halberd
Noble/BSB - 145pts
w. Barded Steed, Dragon Armour, Sword of Might, Charmed Shield, Ironcurse Icon
35 x Spears - 350pts
w. Full command, Gleaming Pennant
16 x Archers - 170pts
w. Musician
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
28 x White Lions - 404pts
w. Full command, Banner of Eternal Flame
8 x Dragon Princes - 312pts
w. Full command, Banner of the World Dragon
Eagle - 50pts
Eagle - 50pts
TOTAL 2,396pts
No Flamespyre and no Everqueen and I'm going for slightly more mobility here with the Dragon Prince bus, that I'd run 3x3, and the Griffon. Noble on Griffon has a 2+ AS or 0+/1+ vs. shooting and the Reaver bow is a nice little addition. BSB has 2+ AS, 6+ WS (2+ WS vs. flaming) and 2+ vs. first wound. While Dragon Princes are only S3 in turns after they charge the Signature spell from Lore of Beasts should help that. High Magic on the Archmage also gives buffs and helps out units.
In the typical comp. system High Elves can take units of upto 550pts in size vs. the 450pt max set for everyone else to reflect their elite status. This changed as a result of the new book which is fair given that it will take time to figure out what it does. But it does mean that I can't field the block of 50 x Spears that I wanted to.
In terms of the 600pt core requirement for 2400pt lists I am still figuring out a combo that works for me. The one in the 2nd list seems pretty good but still comes in at 705pts or 105 more than necessary. Also considered 3 blocks of Archers @ 170pts & one lot of Reavers which totals 605 but I really like Spears and plan to take them in every army.
In non-gaming news our house is on the market and fingers crossed it sells quickly and we can get into the new house we put an offer on last week... while having more space for the kids is fantastic the new place also has..... a big space for a gaming room and small painting/study room so I can finally (hopefully) get a table permanently set up and start collecting some terrain.
May 15, 2013
Alith Anar the Shadow King & WIP new HE colour scheme
I've had this model in my collection right from the word go one of the first I acquired when I started wargaming back in 2008 but until last night I had never tried painting him. But the new HE book gave me the inspiration I needed and Ill probably try using him in the odd list as well. Also worked on a Reaver and Dragon Prince model testing out how the new colour scheme would look on them.
For the test models I concentrated only on figuring out where to put the green and blue areas and getting the right shade on each. So far it hasn't worked out that well and looks horribly rough.
Starting to think I might just leave everyone purple as honestly repainting everything is going to be a bit of a pain and I'm struggling to get the new scheme to work properly. It looks great on Dwarfs but not so much on the High Elves. I'll finish off the two test models to see what they look like and the IOB Swordmasters but I thats about it - as far as the rest of my collection goes Ill concentrate on fixing the basing by redoing all of the snow and tidying up some of the painting on a few models.
For the test models I concentrated only on figuring out where to put the green and blue areas and getting the right shade on each. So far it hasn't worked out that well and looks horribly rough.
Starting to think I might just leave everyone purple as honestly repainting everything is going to be a bit of a pain and I'm struggling to get the new scheme to work properly. It looks great on Dwarfs but not so much on the High Elves. I'll finish off the two test models to see what they look like and the IOB Swordmasters but I thats about it - as far as the rest of my collection goes Ill concentrate on fixing the basing by redoing all of the snow and tidying up some of the painting on a few models.
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| Alith Anar with a future Everqueen - well my Princess really |
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