May 12, 2013

High Elf Army Lists - the joys of a new book

As would be expected I've spent a lot of time since Wednesday coming up with new High Elf army lists from the new book all with the intent of re-creating my 2400pt Tournament list to make best use of the new toys.  The new book creates a huge number of dilemmas though.  The new characters and units are fantastic and the changes to the core necessitate some serious re-thinking about the role of the that traditional High Elf unit the Spears.  Online discussion is already leaning heavily toward the end of Spears as a staple of High Elf armies with the majority of lists making use of Reavers and Silver Helm buses as core.


I have a couple of issues with this (1) its too early to say that Spears are redundant and I don't for a second believe they are, (2) I have a lot of Spears, (3) I don't have any Silver Helms, having junked my models ages ago, (4) Not planning on buying any Silver Helms, as I dont like the models and (5) I really like Spears.  But I've come up with a  lot of lists and in nearly everyone Spears hardly mention :(  and its been a lot harder than I thought.  

So I kept things simple and took my last High Elf tournament list and modified it to fit the new book, adjusting for points changes and removing/replacing magic items.  In building this and the other lists I have three goals in mind:
  • Making optimum use of the units/models I currently own.
  • Sticking close to my play style.
  • and most importantly of all Fielding a list/models that I'll enjoy using.
The last goal does mean that I frequently field armies that are not optimal or close to the prevailing meta - but honestly who cares. 

How my last HE Tournament List changes with the new book
Old Book New Book
Archmage - L4, Dispel Scroll, Talisman of Preservation, Crown of Command 360 Archmage - L4, Golden Crown, Book of Hoeth 285
Noble - BSB, Armour of Caledor, GW, Guardian Phoenix 168 Noble - BSB, Armour of Caledor, GW 149
Mage - L2, Annulian Crystal 175 Mage - L2, Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury 170
39 x Spears - Full Command, Banner of Eternal Flame 386 35 x Spears - Full command, Banner of Eternal Flame 355
14 x Archers - Musician 159 16 x Archers - Musician 170
13 x Archers - Musician 148 16 x Archers - Musician 170
28 x White Lions - Full command, Standard of Discipline 470 28 x White Lions - Full command, Banner of the World Dragon 444
14 x Swordmasters - Musician 216 12 x Swordmasters - Musician 166
14 x Swordmasters - Musician 216 12 x Swordmasters - Musician 166
Eagle 50 Eagle 50
Eagle 50 Eagle 50
Flamespyre Phoenix  225
2398 2400

The new book makes an immediate impact on my old tournament list allowing me to add the Flamespyre Phoenix (the first new unit Ill buy) and 5 of the new/modified magical items:
  • Book of Hoeth - ok its not quite as nasty as it used to be, but re-rolling 1 dice is pretty good pity you can't do it to 6's to avoid miscasting.
  • Ring of Fury - 2d6 S4 is pretty good and much better than the Ruby Ring as a bound item.
  • Golden Crown - cheaper version of the Opal Amulet with a better save 2+ vs. 4+
  • Armour of Caledor - same as before but with the 6+ WS giving your GW noble an effective PS
  • Banner of the World Dragon - just awesome
But this list isn't exactly scary for a lot of people and it doesn't include all the toys I could take or make best use of the changes to the core composition.  So I also came up with these.

The pretty lady list
Everqueen - 350pts
Mage - 155pts
w. L2, Scroll, Golden Crown
Noble - 149 pts
w. BSB, Armour of Caledor, GW
Noble - 290pts
w. Griffon, Swiftsense, Dragon Armour, Enchanted Shield, Luck Stone, Sword of Might, Ring of Khaine 
16 x Archers - 170pts
w. Musician
14 x Archers - 150pts
w. Musician
14 x Archers - 150pts
w. Musician
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
28 x White Lions - 444pts
w. Full command, Banner of the World Dragon
Flamespyre Phoenix - 225pts
Eagle - 60pts
w. Swiftsense
Eagle - 60pts
w. Swiftsense

TOTAL 2,393

Only one combat block but lots of chaff and fast movers to annoy people and the Griffon will be fun.  Magic is also pretty strong and with the Everqueen & BSB in the White Lions with the Dragon Banner that unit isnt going anywhere in a hurry with 2+WS vs. magical and (base) 5+WS vs. non-magical.

Look at the pretty birdy list
Noble - 271pts
w. Griffon, Swiftsense, Heavy Armour, Enchanted Shield, Reaver Bow, Halberd, Luckstone
Noble - 317pts
w. Griffon, Swiftsense, Sword of Might, Shield, Golden Crown, Dragon Armour, Dawnstone
Dragon Mage - 385pts
w. Level 2, Dragon Armour, Gem of Sunfire, Ironcurse Icon
Mage - 170pts
w. Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury
15 x Archers - 160pts
w. Musician
15 x Archers - 160pts
w. Musician
15 x Archers - 160pts
w. Musician
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
Sky-cutter - 120pts
w. Bolt-Thrower
Sky-cutter - 120pts
w. Bolt-Thrower
Eagle - 60pts
w. Swiftsense
Eagle - 60pts
w. Swiftsense
Flamespyre Phoenix - 225pts

TOTAL 2,398

I have to admit this is a hits and giggles list and would be something for a fun night at my club as I don't see myself buying the new Skycutters - but another IOB Griffon would be cool as the models are awesome.  Absolutely no melee combat power here at all with the exception of the Griffons and the Dragon - so would require me to play a lot better than I usually do.


Dragon Princes Hooo
Everqueen - 350pts
Mage - 170pts
w. Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Ring of Fury
Noble - 144pts
w. Dragon Armour, Barded Steed, Enchanted Shield, Sword of Might, Dawnstone
Noble - 149pts
w. BSB, Armour of Caledor, GW
15 x Archers - 160pts
w. Musician
15 x Archers - 160pts
w. Musician
10 x Archers - 110pts
w. Musician
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
5 x Reavers - 95pts
w. Musician, Bows instead of Spears
20 x Swordmasters - 300pts
w. Full Command, Banner of Eternal Flame
9 x Dragon Princes - 341pts
w. Full Command, Banner of the World Dragon
Eagle - 50pts
Eagle - 50pts
Flamespyre Phoenix - 225pts

TOTAL   2,399

Could take White Lions instead of Swordmasters giving the Everqueen and BSB a stubborn unit to hide in.  Only have one mounted HE Noble at the moment so restricted there, although the old metal DP Champion is a good stand in for one - but model wise its BSB on foot only.

Still more options than these but after working on these and a host of other lists I have realised that whatever I do I will be fielding the following to some degree:
  • Flamespyre Phoenix - simply too good not to include it.
  • White Lion block - at 444pts for 28 + the Dragon banner its a solid unit
  • An extra character - new armour options/changes make Nobles more survivable and I want to field the Griffon.
  • Adding Reavers in somewhere 
For events that allow Special characters the Everqueen will also be getting an outing as she is just fantastic (and I can use my AoW female mage to proxy for her until the real model arrives).  She also makes Spears more survivable as if you stick her with a unit of them they gain a 5+WS and everytime she successfully casts High Magic it goes up by +1 to a max of 3+.  Yes they're Spears but buffed and with a WS they are a lot better than anything else of a similar stat line.

3 comments:

PaW said...

I don't think spears are useless by any means John. they still provide the role of ranks 'cheaply' in the high elf army that no other unit does.

5+ save is still decent and 4 ranks of attacks when not charging. they are just over shadowed by archers who get to fight in 3 ranks now anyways.

I don't think archers and spears fight the same though. and you can't be agressive with archers and maximise use of bow

Whiteadder said...

Those are some fun looking lists! Taking the Griffon with Swiftsense as a mount for a Noble seems like the way to go.

N.B. The points spent on the hero slot in the 'pretty birdy' list is way over 25%.

John Murrie said...

@ Whiteadder - sshhh if you dont say anything no one will notice....

... I hadnt going to have to rework that one :( chances of taking 2 Griffons seem somewhat slimmer now