The original thread is here (and an earlier thread here) and I also started a quick post on it on my local clubs Facebook page here
To recap here are some of the photos from the UK forum thread...
First the reasonably good (I think this is a pretty cool idea myself) a unit of Trolls from an Orcs n Goblin army. The player has used trolls, they are based and they are trolls so it works and is pretty cool.
Then the bad this is a Chaos Dwarf Kadai you can tell that because it has a large base, or rather three large bases - sorry 3 movement trays and a model...
Then we have this one which according to the post was supposed to represent an Empire Steam Tank?!? To which I can only say that the player in question was - [phrase © S.Bowman ]- Extracting the Urine.
- Proxies are not allowed. If you are not sure then best to check beforehand to avoid problems later.
- All models to be used must be painted to a minimum benchmark (at least 3 colours).
- WYSIWYG or Weapons, armour options and upgrades chosen from the army list must be shown on the majority of models in a unit.
What this means is that if you want to field a unit of 20 x Dwarf Warriors with Great Weapons then that unit must contain 20 models (although leeway is made for reasonably sized unit fillers), those models must be Dwarfs or Dwarf like and at least 10/20 must be carrying 2-handed weapons. So if its a duck, it should look like a duck not a striped Elephant with 6 arms. The rule on painting is not always enforced but we have painting scores to cater for that, but the rule on proxies and WYSIWYG are if mainly through subconscious peer pressure.
Generally the result of this are local events where competitors put a good degree of effort into creating armies that are well presented. Painting abilities vary widely but painting scores take this into account so no-one is overly penalised in terms of tournament placings while those who are better at painting/basing still get rewarded for their efforts.
This works well and I have benefited from it in the past were my Dwarfs picked up maximum painting points but suffered through poor generalship but I was still able to finish strongly overall. I liked this as it meant the 18 months I spent paint stripping, repainting and re-basing my Dwarfs and building their display board were recognised (see my Dwarf repainting project posts). But the weighting given to playing ability (generalship) is always higher meaning that this still counts for more which is what should happen. So while I moved up through painting I dropped back further because I lost a lot. My efforts at repainting my Dwarfs and my High Elves were also due entirely to the high quality stuff I saw at efforts and my desire to improve my own work.
In NZ events we don't really see proxies - although at CTA and Panzershrek Dwarf players were allowed to proxy Thunderers as Irondrakes because well they are still Dwarfs and they are carrying handguns which look fairly close to Drakeguns. There are also a lot of other proxies of sorts involving non-GW models, heavy conversions and the odd kit-bash all of which look great. My favourite from CTA were the following units from the other Ogre army - these honestly made my event.
|Crocodile Mournfang Cavalry and Ironbalsters|
But a line has to be drawn somewhere. In a friendly game sure bring whatever you like but at a tournament people attend for a variety of reasons one of which (at least to me) is to see other peoples collections and to share in our mutual enjoyment of the hobby - ALL ASPECTS of the hobby - painting, modelling and playing the game.
Consequently, I don't like proxies that "Extract the Urine" - my other pet peeve are models that are not fully assembled. Unpainted I can accept as not everyone is a painter. But if you are going to enter an event then glue your models together its not that hard.
What do people think???